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Hey guys, as I noticed this embassy was going a little quiet, I decided to bump it back into place.



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Hey guys, as I noticed this embassy was going a little quiet, I decided to bump it back into place.

 

Spring? It's Movember and winter is coming...


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Spring? It's Movember and winter is coming...

It's always Movember for me... I really should shave sometime.



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I don't hold a grudge against NG and I try to continue to respect you guys since I was there for long, but seriously, what is up with Steve? I talk to him one on one cuz we are still cool as far as I know and just bullshit around so I don't want to bash him, but some of his posts are just nonsense. I hate to see you guys get ripped apart on OWF because of a few of his posts.

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As Steve (and Schrodinger) can read my responses, I'll be careful in what  I say however I will try to be as honest as possible. Personally, I believe the way that he has handled this conflict is not the best. The DoW posting for example was a little too well... rigid and rambling. I believe that if the DoW I had posted (A Call to Arms) in that thread had been used instead, then possibly the seriousness of this whole thing could be kind of mitigated and far more enjoyable.

 

Myself, I respect The Order of the Paradox as an alliance and if this war hadn't happened, I would probably have been starting the process to file an application with you guys (mostly because of how much I love Europa Universalis IV). One problem is that he is the only official within the alliance who actually posts on the OWF as Tito does not really post and keeps himself to himself and Schrodinger has apparently stopped being as active as he once was. The structure of the alliance system at Non Grata really only allows the Triumvirate to have a voice in matters as the Minister of Foreign Affairs role doesn't really exist (with Minister of Internal Affairs being the only role which has an active minister).

 

I apologize if any of what I have just said seems disjointed, yet if anything I said was vague or you don't understand it, I would be more than happy to expand on it.



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I would've had respect for y'all and your rep as a good fighting alliance if you hadn't gone the smear route with it. The "Call to Arms" DoW would've sufficed, we could've just bashed each other's skulls in and respectfully enjoyed the conflict. We can still do all that, but now there's a bad taste in my mouth. You certainly didn't do yourselves any favors by being blatantly transparent in your agenda of the DoW and subsequent posting (attempt to alienate our powerbase, criticize peacemode tactics a few days into the war, etc).

 

But hey, let's just agree to disagree and fuck each other's shit up, shall we? :D


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The responsibility of the DoW falls squarely on the shoulders of the Triumvirate as they don't allow for the member-base to contribute or influence any real aspects within the alliance or foreign affairs. What they get up to, we don't know until you find out as well. I don't agree with Steve's tactics and posting style within this war as all it is doing is eroding good-will which will not really help us out in the long run.

 

However, I am certain you can understand the feeling of betrayal from Non Grata nations in regards to Valhalla. We gave them protection and shelter during their formative months and as soon as they are ready to stand on their own two feet, they seemingly spit in our face and leave for us for dead. If Non Grata come out of this unscathed, it is likely that Valhalla are not going to be readily forgiven.

 

There's no fun in agreeing to disagree, I love to talk about stuff, it makes things far more enjoyable for me (as strange as that sounds).



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You'll find TOP loves entering into debates and discussions, just don't get upset when we're blunt and most likely abrasive ;)

I point you to Val's upper tier if you want to draw assumptions about the level of commitment they have to the cause.

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Not really surprised by Val. I went on a limb and hoped they would stay loyal and voted for the protectorate. Guess not. At this point I'd keep an eye out on all your allies. It will be hard for you guys to make friends if you OWF personality stays the same. You'll end in the same tut as MK where they got to a point where they couldn't branch out and make new friends and isolated themselves.
Also if you plan to get payback on Val you're gonna have to breakup with IRON and dive head first into NPOs camp.

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Buzz, I agree with you in regards to the OWF attitude that Non Grata (or Steve) is giving off. Unfortunately how can one do anything about it if he is in charge? In terms of Valhalla, it's more likely that people will just leave at their own volition and strike hits on Valhalla without backing.



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We've been telling you IRON was a piece of shit, do you finally believe us?

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You had fair warning

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We've been telling you IRON was a piece of shit, do you finally believe us?

Through the duration of war, I had the feeling that this was happening. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to change the outlook of the Triumvirate of Non Grata, so while before this, there was still hope that they would honor their commitments to us, it is likely that they have proven themselves to be backstabbers. The lesson has been learnt.



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IRON has been fully involved in crafting this war from pretty much the beginning. There was no way they would assist you. Sorry, guys.

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IRON has been fully involved in crafting this war from pretty much the beginning. There was no way they would assist you. Sorry, guys.

Which is a reasonable view to hold. In this case, we were hoping that they would be decent allies and actually assist us. Guess they are still the same alliance as they were back with the Coalition of Cowards.



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Maybe Steve will drop his "OMG Realpolitik!" rants and do something with the alliance. NG basically just sat there and took it. While the rest of Bob made moves to position for the war and picked up new allies and strength for back up, you guys did absolutely nothing. 



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Maybe Steve will drop his "OMG Realpolitik!" rants and do something with the alliance. NG basically just sat there and took it. While the rest of Bob made moves to position for the war and picked up new allies and strength for back up, you guys did absolutely nothing. 

Let's hope, unless there is a change of direction in terms of government post-war, I wouldn't hold my breath.



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Many alliances that get crushed in a war get a post-war leadership shakeup, as is appropriate, in many cases.  Perhaps NG will do the same, and then it can begin effectively plotting its revenge, hopefully not against us.


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Many alliances that get crushed in a war get a post-war leadership shakeup, as is appropriate, in many cases.  Perhaps NG will do the same, and then it can begin effectively plotting its revenge, hopefully not against us.

Hopefully, yet as I said, I wouldn't hold my breath on it, the Triumvirate aren't going to reduce their power post-war.



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Hopefully, yet as I said, I wouldn't hold my breath on it, the Triumvirate aren't going to reduce their power post-war.

 

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